Georgian soldiers were shooting down women, old people and children in South Ossetia

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Georgian soldiers were shooting down women, old people and children in South Ossetia. Eight populated areas were wiped off from the face of the earth. Their defenders fell during Georgian aviation attack. As witnessed by Ilona Djioeva, resident of Dmenis village, “Georgian war- civilians’ houses and then the village was entered by soldiers who shot up old people, women and children”.
“We managed to get to the positions of the Russian peace-making contingent and they helped us to get to a safe place. Georgian shot down escaping people; the wounded were shot through the head. Only a few people survived. Russian soldiers helped us to get out of it.
Now my mother and I are going to Mozdok region, which is in Ossetia. We don’t know anything about my brother. He works in Tskhinval militia” – told IA Regnum correspondent, a 19 year old student.
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11 августа 2008 21:23
I do not believe you. Nobody saw that. Where is the picture with 1600 dead?
11 августа 2008 21:52

May be you are blind and deaf? Otherwise you shuold believe! And be sure I know what i am talking about!

12 августа 2008 10:45
D, do you trust the only pictures on your monitor but do not trust alive people?
12 августа 2008 10:46
D, take a trip to Tskhinval or look videos from there if you are too lazy or scared about your ass...
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?cid=2
12 августа 2008 14:58

Damn vultures. You need pictures of more than one thousand and a half dead bodies, huh? To make you believe, right? What’re your preferences then? You’d like to see them in piles or separately? How would you like to pay for the set, you necrophiliac?!

 

Let me tell you then! Peoples of Russia do care about decency and treat deadmen respectfully, be it an enemy or a friend!

 

If you ever see pictures of dead bodies then know that they are for you and the likes of you, monsters.

 

If you ever stop believing and search for knowledge then go to the place you’re interested in and share other monsters’ fate.

 

You know, I want to believe, too. I want to believe that cynical bastards who made it all happen, who provided Georgia with armaments and trained their soldiers will suffer a just punishment. I have a dream.




My previous comment is for D.

12 августа 2008 16:29
What about a russian "freedom defender" with a mans head cutting off the ears then eating one and throwing the other one to dogs?
What about russian "kazakhs" carrying out ethnic cleansing in Georgia (not S-Ossetia or Abkhazia)?
What about russian bombs in Tbilisi, Poti and Gori?
What about LilliPutin's lapdog Medvedev who's word doesn't count shit in Russia?
What about it, morons?
12 августа 2008 16:48
What about may 1945 Fascist?

Wasn't it enough for your likes?

Oh, it wasn't.

So be it. Once again Russian army will teach you that it's bad to kill civilians and commit genocide.

> What about a russian "freedom defender" with a mans head cutting off the ears then eating one and throwing the other one to dogs?

What about staged photos by Reuters?

Where was your "democratic" press during the first hours of war when georgians attacked civilians in Tskhinval?

>
What about russian "kazakhs" carrying out ethnic cleansing in Georgia (not S-Ossetia or Abkhazia)?

What about american trainers who taught georgians how to attack Tskhinval?

What about artillery bombardment from georgian territory?

> What about russian bombs in Tbilisi, Poti and Gori?

What about military airfield, bases and troops there?

> What about LilliPutin's lapdog Medvedev who's word doesn't count shit in Russia?

What about LilliGeorge's lapdog Saaki who's word doesn't count shit at all?

> What about it, morons?

It's about Russian answer to cynical bastards and fascists who dared to think that they are free to kill innocent people, vultures. Face it.
12 августа 2008 17:19

В Тбилиси предупреждают людей о провокациях США в центральной и западной Грузии

 

I remember legendary Baltic nationalists who fought in Chechnya and were never caught alive or killed. Russians should learn this legendary art of ninja.

 

And now, these legends again will join brothers Ukrainian ”bandreovci” and this time kill defenceless Georgians in front of Russian army in Russian uniforms. Did Russian army already deliver bodies of unknown white people and prepare for massacre and cleansing?

12 августа 2008 17:31
I remember legendary weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that was the reason for US invasion and was never found or destroyed. Americans and their allies should learn this legendary art of ninja.

Did US army already deliver evidence of unknown weapons of mass destruction to justify massacre and cleansing there?

12 августа 2008 17:42

Perfect memory, it just shows, how propaganda uses masses. Maybe you also remember 100.000 Chechen civilians (paradoxically Russian citizens which Russian military happily defend in Georgia) killed in Chechnya? Maybe this was work of legendary Baltic nationalists?

The USA at least admitted, did Russia admitted any wrong doing? Did they ever admitted occupation of Baltic states?

12 августа 2008 17:43
Unfortunately the Russian army has been rather succesfull in teaching how to commit genocide and warcrimes in Chechnya. Russian soldiers and officers have been found guilty in war crimes (rape, murder, torture) by Russian and international courts.
Georgia was bombing it's own territory - it's Georgias problem. Russian and ossetian "peacekeepers" have done nothing to prevent terrorist actions from "rebels" (killing Georgian policemen, shooting Georgian villages).
There are American as well as Jewish military advisors in Georgia. What's your point? That Georgia is not supposed to be able to defend itself?
The bombing of Georgian cities is a war act against an independent country. Russia has not declared war against Georgia so Russia is commiting a crime. S-Ossetia is not a part of Russia, N-Ossetia is. Give a good example and let the N-Ossetia create an independent country ;)
Georgia has not bombarded Russian land and they have not attacked any Russian "peacekeepers" in S-Ossetia - all the official peacekeeper's outposts are still operational.
If Medvedev's word has any influence except moving warm air, then why are the "Abkhazian forces" still attacking Georgia when lapdog said that "all attacks have ended"?
12 августа 2008 18:05
> Maybe you also remember 100.000 Chechen civilians

Oh, yeah. I'm sure you, being nonrussian, speak not propaganda but The Truth.

BTW, population of Iraq in 2004 was 27 000 000, it is 22 greater than that of Chechnya (1 209 000). But of course to levy civilian war in the former, foreign state, is nothing compared to antiterroristic operation in the latter, part of the state.

> The USA at least admitted, did Russia admitted any wrong doing?

Yeah, it's very important - to admit... and keep doing the same.

About what wrong doings you write?

What about your memory? Let's check it.

What did americans do after the terrorist attack 9/11 ?

So what's about our antiterroristic operation in Chechnya?

Russia at least did not invade any country to admit it later.

> Did they ever admitted occupation of Baltic states?

Nice. There's only one thing - who destroyed their population during WWII in millions and who set them free and helped them? But it's nothing compared to Freedom.

Anyway, now they're "free" like Georgia. And that's where freedom leads them.
12 августа 2008 18:23

"BTW, population of Iraq in 2004 was 27 000 000, it is 22 greater than that of Chechnya (1 209 000). But of course to levy civilian war in the former, foreign state, is nothing compared to antiterroristic operation in the latter, part of the state."

 

Civilian losses in Iraq are mainly because of sectarian war and Muslim terrorists (Americans do not blow themselves in a crowd), but Chechens died from Russian hands.

 

”So what's about our antiterroristic operation in Chechnya?”

 

What antiterrorist operation in 1994? Your memory appears to be very short.

Russia at least did not invade any country to admit it later.”

 

They invaded many countries including Baltic States and never admitted later.

"Nice. There's only one thing - who destroyed their population during WWII in millions and who set them free and helped them? But it's nothing compared to Freedom. "

 

For around 500.000 people of Russian freedom ended in Siberia and massgraves and for the rest 50 years of occupation. If you compare Russian freedom with freedom Baltic states had before Russians who together with Germans invaded Poland and started WWII, then there is nothing to compare. You are right.

12 августа 2008 18:24
> Unfortunately the Russian army has been rather succesfull in teaching how to commit genocide and warcrimes in Chechnya

Please, please, we're nothing compared to oldfashioned fascists. They could strike foreign countries, attack half the world, kill millions and be forgiven. How can we be compared to them engaging antiterroristic attack in one of our own regions? What about US after 9/11?

> Georgia was bombing it's own territory - it's Georgias problem.

Oh, what about Kosovo? Wasn't it there own problem?

And what about agreements between the countries of the region?

And what about S-Ossetia wish to be idependent?

Or it's allright to kill people if they're not agree with you?

What about people of S-Ossetia?

Or it's allright to break all agreements like Georgia did?

Or it's allright to to train georgian troops for war like US did?

Who attacked first?

Where was your "democratic" press during the first hours of war when georgians attacked civilians in Tskhinval?
 
> The bombing of Georgian cities is a war act against an independent country.

The bombing of Tskhinval is a war act against civilians and the breach of all agreements.

> Russia has not declared war against S-Ossetia so Georgia is commiting a crime.

Georgia has not declared war against S-Ossetia so Georgia is commiting a crime.

> If Medvedev's word has any influence except moving warm air, then why are the "Abkhazian forces" still attacking Georgia when lapdog said that "all attacks have ended"?

If George's word has any influence except moving warm air, then why are the "Georgian forces" still attacking Tskhinval when lapdog said that "all attacks have ended"?

Or Saaki didn't say it?
12 августа 2008 18:29
Russia invaded de facto independent Republic of Chechnya, you moron. After FSB had planted the bombs in Moscow. Chechnya had all the necessary properties of an independent country except international recognition. Abkhazia is a little bit similar in that way, but S-Ossetia is just a puppet for Russia.
If Soviet soldiers brought peace and freedom then why didn't they leave after WW2? Why they started mass deportations instead?
If Russia is "defending" Abkhazia then why is Suhhumi being looted and destroyed?
12 августа 2008 18:43

If Russia would liberate Baltic State and the rest of East Europe and leave those countries as they did with Austria, then statues of Russian soldiers and their graves were full with flowers up till now as they are in Austria. However, Russia changed one occupant to another and have not guts to admit it and change future to the brighter one.

The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them as their tactic is to bully everybody into submission which never has changed since the creation of this country.

12 августа 2008 18:45
> Civilian losses in  Iraq are mainly because of sectarian war and Muslim terrorists (Americans do not blow themselves in a crowd),

Of course all these wars were in iraq before US invasion and US army has nothing to do with it. And of course videos and messages about american bombing civilians (occassionaly of course) are all fake. BTW, nobody else is allowed to bomb occassionaly civilian objects.

> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

How many Russians died from Chechen hands?

> What antiterrorist operation in 1994? Your memory appears to be very short.

Excellent. Whatabout 9/11? It's also nothing in your opinion? But if it does than war in Chechnya was something of the kind for Russia. Roughly speaking.

So why don't you blame US first for civil war in 27 000 000 Iraq?

Ah, yeah - they admitted.

>
They invaded many countries including Baltic States and never admitted later.

That's a very bad thing, of course. So how many people were massacred during USSR presence in the region and how many after the USSR ceased to exist?

Of course I do not dare to name it - the consequnce of so called "imported democracy", no.

>
For around 500.000 people of Russian freedom ended in Siberia and massgraves and for the rest 50 years of occupation. If you compare Russian freedom with freedom Baltic states had before Russians who together with Germans invaded Poland and started WWII, then there is nothing to compare.

It's a little number, really. Our pravozashitniki (traitors who position themselves as some human right defenders) say that Stalin killed and jailed millions of people though they never show place where millions lived and died and were buried and
say how millions got there. As for fascists - there's plenty of evidence. Germans stroke first, we answered. I'm now alive because of this. Not all like it (not me but the very fact of our existence).

>
You are right.

Yes, I am.

Hope you will never experience real bombing and genocide. Nobody wants war, evebody wants peace, so it's bad to supply arms, it's bad to train troops and it's bad to attack sivilians like Georgians did.

We've made what we must - the georgians are out of Osetia. The war is over if Georgians and US won't strike again.
12 августа 2008 18:54
Nobody has forgiven nazis for what they did, dumbass.
Yes, you're right by saying "we're nothing compared to oldfashioned fascists" - you're 10 times more effective in killing and lying. Good for nobody.
"Who attacked first?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/world/europe/03georgia.html?_r=1&ref=world&ore
f=slogin

http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373294
Kosovo is not S-Ossetia in any way.
Russia's "peacekeepers" and S-Ossetian "government" didn't keep their promises to keep peace in the region which is a part of Georgia.
"Democratic" press was in Beijing watching olympics.
Georgia doesn't need to declare war on its own territory, idiot.
Saakasvili has made at least two peace offers, Mr Nobody Medvedev none. So much for "keeping the peace".
12 августа 2008 19:02
> Russia invaded de facto independent Republic of Chechnya, you moron.

You were already killed in 1945, fascist. =)

Learn history - Republic of Chechnya is a part of Russia - always was and will be.

> If Soviet soldiers brought peace and freedom then why didn't they leave after WW2?
To let europeans destroy these countries like they do know?

Do you know how many people were planned to live on the Baltic States?

You must know, you're a fascist, or a baby who knows knothing but dare say his opinion?

> Why they started mass deportations instead?

How many were deported? Where? How? or it's just the fact of deportation that you know about?

> If Russia is "defending" Abkhazia then why is Suhhumi being looted and destroyed?

Why was Tshinval looted and destroyed?

You'll tellmothers about the children who died in the ruins?

That's it for you, fascist. See you on the battlefield.

> If Russia would liberate Baltic State and the rest of East Europe and leave those countries as they did with Austria, then statues of Russian soldiers and their graves were full with flowers up till now as they are in Austria.

You really think that Germans left Austria wilfully? Or that's what you've been told by propaganda?

>
However, Russia changed one occupant to another and have not guts to admit it and change future to the brighter one.

Georgia attacked Tshinval.
Georgia killed Russian citizens. We had agreement of peace making in the region. Georgia breached it.

You mean your country let its citizens die just like that? Ours - not.

>
The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them as their tactic is to bully everybody into submission which never has changed since the creation of this country.

The problem is, that even if Russian would sincerely want to help somebody nobody would trust them because of propaganda.

So
where was "democratic" press and world community during the first hours of war when georgians attacked civilians in Tskhinval?

Who was the first to speak about Georgians attack in UN?

Anyway, I hope we will leave in peace. I mean the world in general. And punish bastards who commit genocide like Georgians did.

I see your point as I think you see mine. We speak propaganda because none of us there witness the war. Hope you will think about some of your points and others will continue speak to you.

I'm quit. Let you be well.
12 августа 2008 19:10

”How many Russians died from Chechen hands?”

I would offer to check internet, but around 100.000 plus another 500.000 wounded. Out of 1.3mln population those are horrifying numbers.

 

”messages about american bombing civilians”

 

Bombing was mainly during invasion. I would advice independent anti-American site like ”bodycount” to check.
> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

> What antiterrorist operation in 1994? Your memory appears to be very short.
”Excellent. Whatabout 9/11? It's also nothing in your opinion? But if it does than war in
Chechnya was something of the kind for Russia. Roughly speaking.”

 

I am afraid first Chechen War was nothing like that at all. It was invasion of Chechnya and killing everybody who is moving. The second you could claim that something like that but please, extend your memory.


”So why don't you blame US first for civil war in 27 000 000
Iraq?”

I am blaming, but you are not your government for genocide.

 

”That's a very bad thing, of course. So how many people were massacred during USSR presence in the region and how many after the USSR ceased to exist?”

 

Half a million only in the Baltic states which ceased to exist till 1990, and at least 15 other countries which ceased to exist as independent countries and stayed till 1989 as puppet countries.

”It's a little number, really.” Is it little out of 4-5 millions? Oh, yes in Chechnya Russians achieved even better results.

12 августа 2008 19:22
What if Chechnya wants to be independent?
And I'm not talking about a terrorist base camp for muslim extremists.

> To let europeans destroy these countries like they do know?
How are they actually doing it at the moment, I wonder?

To remind you - Suhhumi is not in the warzone.
The killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime of course, but so is the killing of Georgian policemen and civilians, which is still happening by the "peacekeeping" forces of Russia. If lapdog Medvedev is talking about punishment then it is a good time to remind him the constitution - only courts decide about these things.

So - are you proposing that if any "Russian citizens" happen to live in countries outside of Russia they should be sent back to their beloved homeland to prevent the fate of Georgia?

Some background info
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121850039382131705.html?mod=opinion_main_comment
aries
13 августа 2008 01:59
"the Georgians were rude, disrespectful and ineffective."
"Georgian soldiers would hold families at checkpoints for hours even in extremely hot or cold weather."... "They did not try to give us services.
Instead, they were a source of annoyance by delaying us at their checkpoints and mocking the simple locals," said Salim Ali, a 45-year-old farmer.

That's what you got on yesterday's Yahoo by an Associated Press columnist - 'Georgian exit leaves vacuum near Iranian border' - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_georgia

Those Georgians were under a whatever international mandate under US and UK supervision.

Now, what would you think of Georgians who swept South Ossetia?
13 августа 2008 10:05
It's incrediable, guys, if you are older than 20 and read nothing but "background info" above you're done for. I mean it's your choice to believe, not the way things really are.

> I would offer to check internet, but around 100.000 plus another 500.000 wounded. Out of 1.3mln population those are horrifying numbers.

I asked about Russians. Or our lives you don't count?

Then, you say 100 000 dead?

 Do you undestand what it means - 100 000 bodies?

Where're they?

You say - around 500 000 wounded?

Do you know that most of the wounded die in the first 24 hours without medical aid?

Do you how hard it is to treat 500 000 wounded?

So where're they, where're piles of corpses?

Why your "democratic-necrophiliac" does not show them to you?

Have you seen pictures on the main page of this site?

Are you happy now?

Have you satisfied your hunger, vulture?

Because they're for your "belief", monster.

> Bombing was mainly during invasion. I would advice independent anti-American site like ”bodycount” to check.

So it's allright to invade sovereign state just because you thought they've got weapons of mass destruction. All you need is toadmit that you were wrong and keep on with invasion and you're forgiven, right? "We've done here. Where're those Russians again?" Yeah?

That's how you treat serial maniacs and killers? They admit what they've done and you let them free to commit more crimes. Incredible. In my country killers are punished, that's what you army does now.

BTW, it's not in Russia, it's in US where death penalty is still on, "democrats".

> but Chechens died from Russian hands.

So how many Russians died from Chechen hands?

Or it doesn't matter?

Or they're not people like Hitler considered them?

> I am afraid first Chechen War was nothing like that at all.

I am afraid you know nothing of that shameful war that was started by traitors in our governement. Traitors that Europe call "The best rulers of Russia" because they almost destroyed it. Not by the weapon of foreign army but by the hand of traitors within.

> It was invasion of Chechnya and killing everybody who is moving. The second you could claim that something like that but please, extend your memory.

According to the geographical and political maps, Chechnya is the territory of Russia. And problems there are inner problems of our state. If you dare judge us by what you see on TV about it than better mind your own business you've got lots of problems yourselves.

> Half a million only in the Baltic states which ceased to exist till 1990, and at least 15 other countries which ceased to exist as independent countries and stayed till 1989 as puppet countries.

I'll say more, when the USSR ceased to exist millions lost their homes, were killed in intestine strifes, died because of scaled down quality of life. That what your press call "democracy", that's what you do.

How many died in Iraq, Afganistan, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, KRAJINA SERBS?

Why don't your "democratic press" cry about them? About 1600 civilians in Tshinval? Vultures.

> Is it little out of 4-5 millions?

You're just like your press that cut "inappropriate" words of our Premiere about Georgia distorting the meaning. That's your double standard.

I said about traitors inside our country who are saying about millions killed for nothing during USSR period but like you they've got no evidence. And you can see the consequences of european inaction on the front page of this site.

Where are these "out of 4-5 millions"?

> Oh, yes in Chechnya Russians achieved even better results.

Yeah, in 1993 there lived 1103,7 thousand people and at the beggining of 2007 - 1183,7 thousand. Huuuge difference, you right. European civilizator Hitler would fear us like death.

http://chechnya.gov.ru/page.php?r=147

That's an official site, BTW. Use Googole Translate to explode your doubts and propaganda.
13 августа 2008 10:35
> What if Chechnya wants to be independent? You said it, fascist, remember - you said it. So - what if Ireland, Corsica, Basque Provinces, Quebec province and others want to be independent? What's the problem? Where's "world community" and "democratic press"? Why are they still parts of bigger states? Why civilians die, huh? What's your problem? Or "democratic press on Olympics"?

> And I'm not talking about a terrorist base camp for muslim extremists. // So who wants to be independent in Chechnya? Was there referendum like in S-Osetia? Or "independence" was declared by a bunch of terrorists who were killed like others and there was no talk about independence anymore?
13 августа 2008 10:40
> How are they actually doing it at the moment, I wonder?

Who trained Georgian troops, supplied with weaponry and shut their eyes to first ours of war when civilians and Russian peacemakers were killed?

Was it not happening in the former Soviet republics? Is it not peoples of former USSR at war now?

Is it that "good anhd peace and democracy" Europe and US carryaround the world?

> So - are you proposing that if any "Russian citizens" happen to live in countries outside of Russia they should be sent back to their beloved homeland to prevent the fate of Georgia?

Gosh, what terrible things you write. =)

What about Israel?

Why did it levy war not so long ago?

Was it not because of a soldier?

One soldier?

One citizen?

And did they succeed?

And what "world community" said?

And you dare name us - defeding our citizens after 1600 of them were slaughtered - killers.

Shame on you, vultures, though it's pointess - you've got no soul.

> To remind you - Suhhumi is not in the warzone.

To remind you - cilivialns in Tshinval were not in the warzone.

> The killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime of course,

Nice. So you admit "the killing of civilians in Tshinvali is a crime". Very good.

So who made this crime happen? Who trained Georgian forces? Who attacked Tshinva while your press "watched Olympics"l?

> but so is the killing of Georgian policemen and civilians, which is still happening by the "peacekeeping" forces of Russia.

Who made them hide their forces in near by towns and attack from there?

Or may be they didn't care about their own civilians?

> If lapdog Medvedev is talking about punishment then it is a good time to remind him the constitution - only courts decide about these things.

Great. Moreover, he reminded YOU about constitution if your "democratic" press didn't cut his words of course. And in constitution there's a line that we must protect our citizens. Do you know how many Russian citizens were there in S-Osetia?

> Kosovo is not S-Ossetia in any way.

Yeah, it was too far to protect and UN peacemakers just gave it up like they did with KRAJINA SERBS.

> Saakasvili has made at least two peace offers, Mr Nobody Medvedev none. So much for "keeping the peace".

It's a bit hard to leave the territory which is uder fire, you know. Our troops tried to tell georgians that their president declared peace twice, but it was so noisy because  of shells burst that they didn't hear us.

What had we left to do? We had to bring that joyful news to them. Now they know it.

> Georgia doesn't need to declare war on its own territory, idiot.

Yeah, they simply started killing civilians while your press "was in Beijing watching olympics".

There're photos at the front page, watch them and imagine yourself there and the ones who are precious to you. May be you'll be able to understand. Othewise, your soul and heart are already dead, you're a zombie - not a living being.

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